In a conversation moderated by novelist Rebecca Sacks, Jules and Angel talk art, sex, and heartbreak. She recently joined a Zoom call with debut novelist Jules Ohman, whose book, Body Grammar, follows Lou, a teenage model thrust into the world of fashion, all while navigating loss and queer love. In her sixth studio album, Big Time, Angel Olsen works through grief and pleasure-the pain of losing both her parents, two months apart, after having experienced the joy of coming out to them as queer. There’s an argument to be made that all art-fiction or otherwise-is on some level an artist encountering herself.